Thread: What fits my car? Wheel & tire size answers!

Welcome to the wheel & tire sticky. Everything that you need to know about wheels & tires can be found in here.

WHEEL ALIGNMENT WARNING: Before we start off, I'd like to remind everyone that if you have a 1995 & above Nissan Sentra or a 1999 & above Infiniti G20 that have a rear torsion beam, DO NOT PAY FOR A 4 WHEEL ALIGNMENT. The shop will be ripping you off. Unless the shop can physically bend the rear beam to change the toe, they can't do a single thing in the rear. They can only work on the front tires. This will be 99% of the shops that you go to. The rear beam is non-adjustable. It's fixed. There are only 2 people that I know of that can bend the rear beam: Darren at West End Alignment in Gardena, California & Steve Foltz that I believe is in Colorado. That's pretty much it. So remember, don't let the alignment shop charge you for a 4 wheel alignment. If you do, you will be giving them a very large tip.

WHEELS

Wheel offset: The lower the number, the farther the wheel sticks out of the wheel well. The higher the number, the farther the wheel goes into the wheel well. The Sentra came with different wheels, so the stock offsets will be listed for each Sentra model in THE FITMENTS below. Try to stay within 40 to 47mm as far as offsets go.

Bolt pattern: B15 Sentra cars use a 4x114.3 mm (4x4.5") bolt pattern. This is the most suckiest bolt pattern of all time. Wheel manufacturer's hate you guys. Why? Hardly anyone buys 4x114.3 wheels. Wheel selections suck in this bolt pattern.

Hub center bore (P.C.D.): B15 Sentra cars use a 66.1 mm hub center bore. Any wheel that you buy, MUST have at least a 66.1 mm or higher hub center bore. Anything larger than 66.1 might require a hub centric ring.





They center out the wheels properly. THEY DO NOT TAKE LOADS. The studs & lugs are the load takers. Keep in mind that if you autocross, road race, run canyons, & use plastic centering rings, they will melt with the heat of the brakes. I have used enough wheels without them & I pretty much don't use them anymore. If you raise the car in the air & tighten the wheels enough before putting it back on the ground, that will center out the wheel.

Brembo equipped SPEC V owners: You guys got the short end of the stick. Not only does the aftermarket suck for a 4x114.3 bolt pattern wheel, but having big brakes makes it even worse. It's not the offset that you're looking for. You need a wheels that have some well designed spokes to clear the brakes.

TIRES

Looking for 195/55-16 tires? Look no further. Here are some manufacturers.

http://toyotires.com/tire/pattern/proxes-t1rp

Tires - ZIEX ZE-912 - Falken Tire

Ah yes! Now for the tire talk.

As a reference, shorter tires will rack up miles quicker on your odometer, but will increase acceleration. Taller tires save mileage on the odometer, but you lose acceleration slightly. If you stay close to the stock sizes, the difference is almost unnoticeable.

If you’re a handling junkie, you want a tire that has good grip & a stiff sidewall that doesn’t allow flexing. You should also try to match the tire to the rim by making it flush or stretching it just a tad bit like a 205/50-16 tire on a 16x8 wheel. Try not to bulge out the tire past the wheel. Width wins all the time.

If you’re a drag racer, you want a tire with good grip & a soft sidewall that will flex. Try to bulge out the tires a little past the wheel to get more flex. Get some super skinny wheels.

If you do not push your tires to the limit (i.e. autocrossing, road racing, canyon running, drag racing), any cheap tire will do for you. Another thing to remember is that you have to sacrifice one thing for another. There's no such thing as an ultra sticky, long lasting tire that performs well in the dry, snow, & rain. It ain't gonna happen. Sticky summer tires wear out quickly & usually don't do too well in the wet & you can forget about snow. All weather tires will last longer at the cost of losing a lot of dry grip, so if you plan on autocrossing, road racing, or doing any other spirited type of driving, you can forget about it, unless you had planned on sliding everywhere.

Ah yes!! Almost forgot one important thing: how to read a tire size.

215/45ZR17

OK! Using this as an example, the first number is the width of the tread. It’s 215mm wide. The next number after the slash is the height of the tire. You will get 45% from the 215mm width of the tire. So the height of the tire is 96.75mm tall. The letter after the 45 is the speed rating.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tirete...eral/speed.jsp

^ Go there to find out about the speed ratings & what they mean. The last number after the R is the size of the rim that it will go on. The 17 means that it goes on a 17” wheel.

One final thing. There is a tread width & a section width. The section width goes from sidewall to sidewall. You will notice that a 205/55-16 tire has about the same section width as a 215/45-17 tire (8.4”), but the tread width is thinner on the 205 & slightly wider on the 215. A 225/50-16 tire as a 9.2” section width & a 225/45-17 tire has an 8.9” section width, although both of them have the same tread width. The taller sidewall on the 16” tire causes the sidewall to flex out a bit. You have to keep the section widths in mind. These could get pretty wide & cause rubbing issues at full lock u-turns or on lowered cars in the rear.

I almost forgot! Tire pressure makes a huge difference in tire wear & gas mileage, so check your tire pressure!

THE FITMENTS

OK! Here’s the deal. This will be separated by QG18DE, SR20DE, & QR25DE cars. You see, each one has a different turning radius, so each one requires a different wheel offset & size.

http://www.rims-n-tires.com/rt_specs.jsp?postId=906

^ That will do wheel & tire sizes, offsets, & whatever else you can think of.

The following sizes are recommended to keep the speedometers & odometers at least 95% accurate. They're also sizes that can for the most part fit inside the wheel wells without much rubbing issues. If you lower the car too much, keep in mind that you might experience rubbing with some of the wider tires. Most of the rubbing will be in the rear fenders & some inside the front wheel well at full lock u-turns. If you decide to use any other wheel & tire sizes, you're going to have to do some further research on your own.

This is what I'm talking about when I refer to full lock u-turns & rubbing issues.




^ Yes. I'm partial to 16" wheels.

* NOTE: When it says 60 MPH = 59.9 or less, you will be racking up miles on your odemeter & you'll be traveling slower than you actually are. When it says 60 MPH = 60.1 MPH or more, you will be saving miles on your odometer & you'll be traveling faster than you actually are.

Starting with the QG18DE cars. They came with 3 wheel & tire sizes:

14” X 6” with a 45mm offset
185/65-14 (You can fit 205/60-14 on stock wheels. Taller tire.)

15” X 6” with a 45mm offset
195/60-15 (You can fit 205/55-15, shorter, on the stock wheel.)

16" X 6" with a 45mm offset
195/55-16 (The worst size ever. You can fit 205/50-16, shorter, or 205/55-16, taller, on stock wheels.)

Recommended wheel & tire sizes for 185/65-14 tire sized QG18DE cars:

15” X 6.5” or 7” (40 to 45 mm offset)
15" X 8" (38 to 40 mm offset)
195/55-15 (Almost perfect match. 60 MPH = 59.9 MPH)
205/50-15 (Slightly shorter than stock. 60 MPH = 59 MPH)

16” X 7” (40 to 45mm offset)
16" X 7.5" (40 to 45 mm offset)
16" X 8" (38 to 40 mm offset)
205/45-16 (Slightly shorter than stock. 60 MPH = 59.5 MPH)
215/45-16 (Slightly taller than stock. Not too many choices. 60 MPH = 60.4 MPH)
205/50-16 (Way taller than stock. 60 MPH = 61.5 MPH)
225/45-16 (Way taller than stock. 60 MPH = 61.3 MPH)

17” X 7” (40 to 45mm offset)
205/40-17 (Perfect match. Tires look like rubber bands on wheels. Potholes kill wheels. 60 MPH = 60 MPH)
215/40-17 (Slightly taller. Tires still look like rubber bands on wheels. Potholes kill wheels. 60 MPH = 60.8 MPH)

18” X 7” (40 to 45mm offset)
215/35-18 (Way taller than stock. Tires look like rubber bands on wheels. Potholes kill wheels. 60 MPH = 61.2 MPH)
205/40-18 (Way taller than stock. Tires look like rubber bands on wheels. Potholes kill wheels. 60 MPH = 62.5 MPH)

Recommended wheel & tire sizes for 195/60-15 tire sized QG18DE cars:

15” X 6.5” or 7” (40 to 45 mm offset)
15" X 8" (38 to 40 mm offset)
195/60-15 (Stock.)
205/55-15 (Slightly shorter than stock. 60 MPH = 59.2 MPH)
215/55-15 (Almost perfect match. Not too many tire choices. 60 MPH = 60.2 MPH)

16” X 7” (40 to 45mm offset)
16" X 7.5" (40 to 45 mm offset)
16" X 8" (38 to 40 mm offest)
205/50-16 (Slightly shorter than stock. 60 MPH = 59.6 MPH)
215/50-16 (Slightly taller than stock. Not too many tire choices. 60 MPH = 60.6 MPH)
225/45-16 (Slightly shorter than stock. 60 MPH = 59.4 MPH)

17” X 7” (40 to 45mm offset.)
205/45-17 (Almost perfect match. 60 MPH = 60.1 MPH)
215/45-17 (Way taller than stock. 60 MPH = 61 MPH)

18” X 7” (40 to 45 mm offset)
205/40-18 (Slightly taller than stock. Tires look like rubber bands on wheels. Potholes kill wheels. 60 MPH = 60.6 MPH)
215/35-18 (Slightly shorter taller than stock. Tires look like rubber bands on wheels. Potholes kill wheels. 60 MPH = 59.3 MPH)
215/40-18 (Way taller than stock. Tires look like rubber bands on wheels. Potholes kill wheels. 60 MPH = 61.4 MPH)

Recommended wheel & tire sizes for the 195/55-16 tire sized QG18DE cars:

Don’t bother with a 15” wheel unless you know what you’re doing because you autocross, road race, or drag.

16” X 7” (40 to 45mm offset)
16” X 7.5” (40 to 45mm offset)
16" X 8" (38 to 40 mm offset)
195/55-16 (Stock.)
205/50-16 (Slightly shorter than stock. 60 MPH = 59.1 MPH)
205/55-16 (Way taller than stock. 60 MPH = 61.1 MPH)
215/50-16 (Perfect match. Not enough tire choices. 60 MPH = 60 MPH)
225/45-16 (Way shorter than stock. 60 MPH = 58.8 MPH)
225/50-16 (Way taller than stock. WILL rub inside at full lock u-turn & you might need to roll the rear fenders. 60 MPH = 61 MPH)

17” X 7” (40 to 45mm offset)
17” X 7.5” (40 to 45mm offset)
205/45-17 (Slightly shorter than stock. 60 MPH = 59.6 MPH)
215/45-17 (Slightly taller than stock. 60 MPH = 60.4 MPH)
225/45-17 (Way taller than stock. 60 MPH = 61.3 MPH)

18” X 7” (40 to 45mm offset)
18” X 7.5” (40 to 45mm offset)
205/40-18 (Perfect match. Tires look like rubber bands on wheels. Potholes kill wheels. 60 MPH = 60 MPH)
215/40-18 (Slightly taller than stock. Tires look like rubber bands on wheels. Potholes kill wheels. 60 MPH = 60.8 MPH)
225/35-18 (Slightly shorter than stock. Tires look like rubber bands on wheels. Potholes kill wheels. 60 MPH = 59.4 MPH)
225/40-18 (Way taller than stock. Tires look like rubber bands on wheels. Potholes kill wheels. 60 MPH = 61.6 MPH)

Now the SR20DE cars! They came with 2 wheel & tire sizes:

15” X 6” with a 45mm offset
195/60-15 (You can fit 205/55-15, shorter, on the stock wheel.)

16” X 6” with a 45 mm offset
195/55-16 (The worst size ever. You can fit 205/50-16, shorter, or 205/55-16, taller, on stock wheels.)

Recommended wheel & tire sizes for the 195/60-15 tire sized SR20DE cars:

15” X 6.5” or 7” (40 to 45 mm offset)
15" X 8" (38 to 40 mm offset)
195/60-15 (Stock.)
205/55-15 (Slightly shorter than stock. 60 MPH = 59.2 MPH)
215/55-15 (Almost perfect match. Not too many tire choices. 60 MPH = 60.2 MPH)

16” X 7” (40 to 45mm offset)
16” X 7.5” (40 to 45mm offset)
16" X 8" (38 to 40 mm offset)
205/50-16 (Slightly shorter than stock. 60 MPH = 59.6 MPH)
215/50-16 (Slightly taller than stock. Not too many tire choices. 60 MPH = 60.6 MPH)
225/45-16 (Slightly shorter than stock. 60 MPH = 59.4 MPH)

17” X 7” (40 to 45mm offset)
17” X 7.5” (45mm offset)
17" X 8" (38 to 40 mm offset)
205/45-17 (Almost perfect match. 60 MPH = 60.1 MPH)
215/45-17 (Way taller than stock. 60 MPH = 61 MPH)


18” X 7” (40 to 45 mm offset)
18” X 7.5” (45mm offset)
205/40-18 (Slightly taller than stock. Tires look like rubber bands on wheels. Potholes kill wheels. 60 MPH = 60.6 MPH)
215/35-18 (Slightly shorter taller than stock. Tires look like rubber bands on wheels. Potholes kill wheels. 60 MPH = 59.3 MPH)
215/40-18 (Way taller than stock. Tires look like rubber bands on wheels. Potholes kill wheels. 60 MPH = 61.4 MPH)

Recommended wheel & tire sizes for the 195/55-16 tire sized SR20DE cars:

Don’t bother with a 15” wheel unless you know what you’re doing because you autocross, road race, or drag.

16” X 7” (40 to 45mm offset)
16” X 7.5” (40 to 45mm offset)
16" X 8" (38 to 40 mm offset)
195/55-16 (Stock.)
205/50-16 (Slightly shorter than stock. 60 MPH = 59.1 MPH)
205/55-16 (Way taller than stock. 60 MPH = 61.1 MPH)
215/50-16 (Perfect match. Not enough tire choices. 60 MPH = 60 MPH)
225/45-16 (Way shorter than stock. 60 MPH = 58.8 MPH)
225/50-16 (Way taller than stock. WILL rub inside at full lock u-turn & you might need to roll the rear fenders. 60 MPH = 61 MPH)

17” X 7” (40 to 47mm offset)
17” X 7.5” (45 to 47 offset)
17" X 8" (38 to 40 mm offset)
205/45-17 (Slightly shorter than stock. 60 MPH = 59.6 MPH)
215/45-17 (Slightly taller than stock. 60 MPH = 60.4 MPH)
225/45-17 (Way taller than stock. 60 MPH = 61.3 MPH)

18” X 7” (40 to 47mm offset)
18” X 7.5” (45 to 47mm offset)
205/40-18 (Perfect match. Tires look like rubber bands on wheels. Potholes kill wheels. 60 MPH = 60 MPH)
215/40-18 (Slightly taller than stock. Tires look like rubber bands on wheels. Potholes kill wheels. 60 MPH = 60.8 MPH)
225/35-18 (Slightly shorter than stock. Tires look like rubber bands on wheels. Potholes kill wheels. 60 MPH = 59.4 MPH)
225/40-18 (Way taller than stock. Tires look like rubber bands on wheels. Potholes kill wheels. 60 MPH = 61.6 MPH)

Now the QR25DE cars! They came with 2 wheel & tire sizes:

16” X 6” with a 45 mm offset
195/55-16 (The worst size ever. You can fit 205/50-16, shorter, or 205/55-16, taller, on stock wheels.)

17” X 7” with a 47mm offset
215/45-17 (You can also fit 205/45-17, shorter, or 225/45-17, taller, on the stock wheels.)

Recommended wheel & tire sizes for the 195/55-16 tire sized QR25DE cars:

Don’t bother with a 15” wheel unless you know what you’re doing because you autocross, road race, or drag.

16” X 7” (40 to 45mm offset)
16” X 7.5” (40 to 45mm offset)
16" X 8" (38 to 40 mm offset)
195/55-16 (Stock.)
205/50-16 (Slightly shorter than stock. 60 MPH = 59.1 MPH)
205/55-16 (Way taller than stock. 60 MPH = 61.1 MPH)
215/50-16 (Perfect match. Not enough tire choices. 60 MPH = 60 MPH)
225/45-16 (Way shorter than stock. 60 MPH = 58.8 MPH)
225/50-16 (Way taller than stock. Might rub inside at full lock u-turn & you might need to roll the rear fenders. 60 MPH = 61 MPH)

17” X 7” (40 to 47mm offset)
17” X 7.5” (45 to 47 offset)
17" X 8" (38 to 40 mm offset)
205/45-17 (Slightly shorter than stock. 60 MPH = 59.6 MPH)
215/45-17 (Slightly taller than stock. 60 MPH = 60.4 MPH)
225/45-17 (Way taller than stock. 60 MPH = 61.3 MPH)

18” X 7” (40 to 47mm offset)
18” X 7.5” (45 to 47mm offset)
205/40-18 (Perfect match. Tires look like rubber bands on wheels. Potholes kill wheels. 60 MPH = 60 MPH)

215/40-18 (Slightly taller than stock. Tires look like rubber bands on wheels. Potholes kill wheels. 60 MPH = 60.8 MPH)
225/35-18 (Slightly shorter than stock. Tires look like rubber bands on wheels. Potholes kill wheels. 60 MPH = 59.4 MPH)
225/40-18 (Way taller than stock. Tires look like rubber bands on wheels. Potholes kill wheels. 60 MPH = 61.6 MPH)

Recommended wheel & tire sizes for the 215/45-17 tire sized QR25DE cars:

Don’t bother with a 15” wheel unless you know what you’re doing because you autocross, road race, or drag.

16” X 7” (40 to 47 mm offset)
16” X 7.5” (45 to 47 mm offset)
16" X 8" (38 to 40 mm offset)
205/55-16 (Slightly taller than stock. 60 MPH = 60.6 MPH)
215/50-16 (Slightly shorter than stock. Not too many tire choices. 60 MPH = 59.6 MPH)
225/45-16 (Way shorter than stock. 60 MPH = 58.4 MPH)
225/50-16 (Slightly taller than stock. Might rub at full lock u-turn & you might need to roll the rear fenders. 60 MPH = 60.6 MPH)

17” X 7” (40 to 47 mm offset)
17” X 7.5” (45 to 47 mm offset)
17" X 8" (38 to 40 mm offset)
215/45-17 (Stock.)
205/50-17 (Way taller than stock. 60 MPH = 61.1 MPH.)
225/45-17 (Slightly taller than stock. 60 MPH = 60.9 MPH)

18” X 7”
18” X 7.5” (45 to 47mm offset)
205/40-18 (Slightly shorter than stock. Tires look like rubber bands on wheels. Potholes kill wheels. 60 MPH = 59.6 MPH)
215/40-18 (Slightly taller than stock. Tires look like rubber bands on wheels. Potholes kill wheels. 60 MPH = 60.4 MPH)
225/35-18 (Slightly shorter than stock. Tires look like rubber bands on wheels. Potholes kill wheels. 60 MPH = 59 MPH
225/40-18 (Way taller than stock. Tires look like rubber bands on wheels. Potholes kill wheels. 60 MPH = 61.1 MPH)

Any other sizes will throw off odometer readings by huge leaps. 18" wheels are not a good idea to run, but you can run them. As far as 19" wheels go, it's really not a good idea, but you can run them. Some 19" X 7" or 7.5" wheels with a 40 to 45mm offset and 215/35-19 tires would be the smallest to run. Now, if you do decide to run this size, you are asking for trouble. This is dangerous for the street because if you step on a crack, you will most likely bend the wheels. 20" wheels are even worse.

Keep in mind that these sizes are not set in stone. Some of you have certain applications (lots of camber, rolled fenders, etc.) & need special offsets & widths. You know what you're doing, so I don't need to elaborate further. For the rest of you, this wheel guide should have provided enough info for you to pick out your wheels & tires.

If you need any help on sizing, feel free to ask here. Some of you might want some really off the wall setups like 16x9 wheels & stuff. I can help you out with those off the wall sizes.

Happy driving!



**Courtesy of my good buddy SR20DE_MAN, originally from B15sentra.net**

Alright well I'm getting some Drag DR33 17x7.5 on spev V with brembos. How should I keep the tires?
Cause right now I'm running stockers with stock 04-06 sizing 225/45/17.
In other words I wanna stretch tire on the "drags" but idk what sizing to get.

Originally Posted by 936B15

Alright well I'm getting some Drag DR33 17x7.5 on spev V with brembos. How should I keep the tires?
Cause right now I'm running stockers with stock 04-06 sizing 225/45/17.
In other words I wanna stretch tire on the "drags" but idk what sizing to get.

why would you want to stretch on a 7.5 inch rim you would be running tiny little tires on a rim that isnt really wide enough to require a stretch. but if you really want then anything smaller than 210 will start to look stretched i think

Originally Posted by veeeeee

why would you want to stretch on a 7.5 inch rim you would be running tiny little tires on a rim that isnt really wide enough to require a stretch. but if you really want then anything smaller than 210 will start to look stretched i think

It was an idea. As therefore it was a question as I'm sure there's an answer. But thanks just asking geez smh..

Id say run 205/40 and ud see some stretch... I'm probably gonna get 205's on my 17x7 for nice clearance
And look a little nicer
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Originally Posted by 02moltenV

Id say run 205/40 and ud see some stretch... I'm probably gonna get 205's on my 17x7 for nice clearance
And look a little nicer
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Thanks man I appreciate it. Hey you going to blast from the past tonight? Check it out on importshouston.com for more details don't wanna be the only one

I could confirm that 205/40's work as I have them on my18x8 rims.

But you wouldn't see that much stretch because there isn't much on mine. So it might look just right.

I'm gonna try 235/40-18 after I roll my fenders, right now it rubs with 225s because of my loww offset

Thinking about getting those Falken Ziex ZE 912 for my stockers.

I live here in Portland, Oregon and would this be a good choice for winter/summer/RAIN? Never really experienced winter driving and don't have the money to buy snow/summer wheels&rims. (college budget)
Would this be a good choice? I don't race, drift, but speed occasionally when I am late or when the roads clear. (talking bout 60 - 90 mph+)


Between all three sizes, which are the best?

205/50-16 (Slightly shorter than stock. 60 MPH = 59.6 MPH)
215/50-16 (Slightly taller than stock. Not too many tire choices. 60 MPH = 60.6 MPH)
225/45-16 (Slightly shorter than stock. 60 MPH = 59.4 MPH)

I think I currently have 205/50..

02 spec with eibach pro kit springs and stock rims. i like the fat tire look. so im thinking 235/40ZR17 's. if i roll rear fenders and strech front fenders what spacers would i need front and rear? family of 4, so passengers arent uncommon and im trying to avoid rubbin

ok i think i get this but i have a question. the hub center bore on my 03 is 66.1 and the wheels i am looking at have a bore of 73, can i make this work with a ring? where would i get a the ring? other than that i am lowered on eibach springs with out brembos, the wheels are 17 x 8 with a 35 offset am i asking for trouble? i am open to running what ever tire size to make these work. i dont really want to roll my fenders, let me know what you think. thanks in advance!

Should be fine because pretty sure it would be lug centric think mine are the same bore and it works fine. With that size probably going to need to roll

how would you know if your sentra has a rear torsion beam? sorry kind of a noobie lol

If it's what I think it is then they all do

so is a 17 x 8 with 35 offset going to give me mexiflush?

not at all lol

here is an 8" wheel with 38mm offset and 225 series tires
car is dropped over 2" with fenders pulled


same wheels and tires, no fender pulling dropped 1.8"


but an 8" wheel 12mm offset is mexi flush

thanks guys the site said these wheels would not fit but i dont see why, the pics really helped. thanks

Originally Posted by mcfarton

thanks guys the site said these wheels would not fit but i dont see why, the pics really helped. thanks

alot of sites say wheels that arent stock specs wont fit mine are 17x8 +32 and fit perfectly imo

and as for the bore you can get hub centric rings off ebay from 10-20 dollars shipped and it was discussed in another thread that it would be smart to get some.

Originally Posted by WhiteSentra05

Thinking about getting those Falken Ziex ZE 912 for my stockers.


I live here in Portland, Oregon and would this be a good choice for winter/summer/RAIN? Never really experienced winter driving and don't have the money to buy snow/summer wheels&rims. (college budget)
Would this be a good choice? I don't race, drift, but speed occasionally when I am late or when the roads clear. (talking bout 60 - 90 mph+)


Between all three sizes, which are the best?

205/50-16 (Slightly shorter than stock. 60 MPH = 59.6 MPH)
215/50-16 (Slightly taller than stock. Not too many tire choices. 60 MPH = 60.6 MPH)
225/45-16 (Slightly shorter than stock. 60 MPH = 59.4 MPH)

I think I currently have 205/50..

Those Falken Ziex suck in the winter. I had them once. I live in Utah. They are fine for summer and rain, but for winter they are not good, especially on our cars. When I had them I ended up doing 2 360's on the highway, and a lot of sliding.